Never ! I am concerned that Jim is worried I might have some of his postings removed from this website.
It is not my responsibility to try to educate him but on this point I am happy to enlighten him in order to stop him losing sleep.
The article denigrating the Post Office Staff was not removed because of what I wrote. It was removed because the Editors happened to agree with what I wrote. There is a subtle difference which he may not appreciate.
So Jim can relax and continue amusing us in his own inimitable fashion though I do think he may owe Gene and Hil an apology for implying that I, or anyone else, might have the power to dictate their editorial policy.
HGM
Ed: No worries Jim
...and there's me thinking KISS is one of the best live band's I've ever seen!
David Reynolds
Oh dear, now I really am worried.
In future when HGM dosn't like what I have to say does that mean my posting's will be "removed"? We have all put rubbish on here, Harry included, mostly to lighten things up after a boring period, or when the site dries up all together, hence the poetry competition last year, which I may add he also didn't like and made his views very clear, but despite the negative atitude went ahead, was a fun thing to do, and put life back into the site.
I personally like the posts that stir up a debate, far better that than some planning application diatribe surely.
This site is a little diamond for Faringdon, and like a diamond it has many facets, stupid, boring, pompous,informative,sometimes even sad(I hope you are doing well Judith)
The "idiot" posts always get their comeuppance and get firmly put in their place by fellow postees.I really am not sure I like one person to moan and something gets removed, remember the same thing happened at the Corn Exchange over the sound levels, and that wasn't fair was it? I like the staff in the post office, I have always found them helpful,I also like Budgens, the staff there are also friendly and helpful,more than can be said for some customers that go there, ok its not Asda, but imagine the town without it,or without a Post Office come to that.
I am a great believer in being grateful for what we have, and not whinge about what we haven't got.
Thankfully we now have a few idiots that have left their own village's to live here, let them have their say, I'm sure they will be shown the errors of their ways by the jury.
Jim Horton
Now that the attack on the Post Office Staff has been withdrawn some of the subsequent postings are meaningless to new viewers but KISS's stance on too flowery language is still worth publicising.
The aim of K.I.S.S is summed up in their motto "Simple language for Simple people" and K.I.S.S is an acronym (word formed from the first letters of other words) for Keep It Simple, Stupid !. As a member of KISS I feel it is my task to explain HGM's message dated 30/5/07 for it is a little too obscure (not easily understood by persons of limited intelligence) for some and his tendency to use gobbledygook ( a form of words favoured by officialdom to hide the real meaning of a message) is not encouraged by KISS
His message was a sincere defence of the Post Office Staff but he has ignored one of KISS's main beliefs which is that the responsibility for ensuring a message is understood belongs to the sender not the recipient (the person who gets the message)
His first sentence requires clarification as he uses satire (sarcastic comment) to encourage readers to carry on reading. He does not really believe an item is stupid because HE doesn't agree with it nor does he believe an item is irritating because HE doesn't like it.
By the phrase "enantiomorphic conversationalists" he simply means that people tend to respond to rudeness with rudeness and in his later assertion (positive statement) he implies (means) that he also is "polite,witty,charming and helpful." (this may or may not be true)
Unfortunately our website, with a list of members, has been withdrawn as a Google Search for KISS found too many sites not considered suitable for children (under the age of 18) and members have now been told to withhold their names from forums such as this.
Name supplied
I think I agree with HGM about the Post Office Staff if he means he thinks they are not rude,charmless etc but where and why does he find such long winded phrases.
Hasn't he heard of the old saying " call a spade a spade not a digging implement"
If he has a mobile phone he must spend a fortune on Text Messages.
BABS( Back to Basics )
Thankyou to "a local resident" for reminding us that Budgens is a "convenience store". We have these at the "On the Run" at the Esso garage and the "Folly Stores", both of which are excellent at being what they are.
Trouble is that we need a proper shop that people who have been at work all day can buy bread, milk, fruit and veggies in. While they have to go to other towns to buy when they are working 9-5 they also do their other shopping there. So Faringdon loses out retail-wise on all counts.
I've been trying to categorise Budgens policy for years and had decided on "Spar Shop mentality". Convenience Store just about sums up the management attitude to their customers who they are not serving.
To ameliorate this despite the shortcomings, their staff are accomodating, friendly and helpful and they ARE open for longer hours than is reasonably economical, some of our other retail shops could take lessons from them.
Jane Boulton
(Head above parapet again)
HGM, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Devils Advocate
The editors allow almost any comments on this site as a result of which there are some really stupid and irritating postings (i.e. postings which I don't agree with or like). But I think the comments about the post office staff should never have seen the light of day. Like so many people who have to deal with the public the staff at Dillons are probably enantiomorphic conversationalists which, as most people know, means that they reflect the attitude of the people they are speaking to.
I personally always find them polite,witty,charming and helpful.
If Gene and Hil feel they must allow such criticism they should insist that the complainant is not allowed the privilege of hiding behind the "Name Supplied " signature
HGM
This post has now been removed
I am so sorry you didn't have a great visit to the town. It is a lovely town and, as others have pointed out, thriving and at times lively with events.
I am unable to comment about the public conveniences, but I am qualified to comment about Budgens. It gets a lot of stick, but, essentially is a convenience store.
Orders for stock go to a central warehouse, and unfortunately do not always come back to the local store the way they went in to central ordering! This is why some things run out and others appear!
Budgens also have now started to sell paninis, either for you to heat yourself, or you take it to the deli and the lovely people there will heat it in about 5 mins. They also make up baguettes fresh now, too, for (I think) £2.50.
The staff are doing their best - they are, for the most part, friendly, diligent, and helpful. You can get most things in the shop (ok, not always bread on a Sunday!) as well as a few obscure items (Polish food, Scotch pies) and new customers and locals are treated the same - welcomed.
Come back Mr Young and see.
A local resident
Are you cutting down and disposing of any Thorny bushes eg Rose or Bramble.
The thornier the better.
If you are and would be prepared to deliver in Faringdon, we have a use for it.
Please contact 01367 242775
Many thanks.
Name Supplied
Ed: I'm intrigued - what on earth are you going to use them for?
Thank you for visiting our community website and leaving your comments about our town. It is credit to the two very dedicated ladies who run this site voluntarily that people are able to air their views whether positive or negative and it is good to see that visitors to the town feel just as able to contribute as those residing here.
As an organisation dedicated to seeing Faringdon become even more vibrant and thriving than it is now, we feel compelled to respond to your comments about your disappointing visit.
We are very sorry to hear that you had such a poor first impression of the town and wish to reassure you that this is far from the views usually represented by our visitors. Faringdon has for the last five years fought very hard to improve and ensure that we are a progressive community. We were one of the first towns to undertake a Health check which highlighted a number of projects that aimed to address the town's deficiencies in every area from environment to economy.
Many of these projects have now been instigated and completed.
We are about to revisit the Health check to see what else can be done to improve the town and we can assure you that your comments will be taken on board, as will those of all our local people and businesses. Faringdon's progressive approach to tacking its issues has received international acclaim. We are very proud of our community's achievements and have seen first hand how the town has revitalised as a result.
We have a huge amount of talent within the town and a lot of people pumping a lot of energy into a number of projects. Throughout the year we have a number of events in the town centre which sees the whole community come together.
MADD May Fest was a recent success;
the fourth Faringdon Arts Festival will take place on 6th, 7th, 8th July;
Party in the Park is taking place at Tucker's Park on 30th June and Festive Faringdon will be held at the beginning of December.
These are just a few of the events which sees the town buzzing with energy. We thoroughly recommend that you revisit Faringdon during one of these events and perhaps you will have a more realistic impression of what the town is all about!
Julie Farmer and Anna Marlow Faringdon Area Project
Just thought I would stick my 2 pence worth in. The debate is an important one and one which is healthy to have. Personally, the fact that Mr Readhead (who may be a high ranking policeman) has given a view, for whatever reason, is only one persons view, and not overriding nor carved in stone. It is irrelevant whether he is a policeman, a high court judge or another pillar of society (nurse, teacher, dustman etc).
I seem to recall that Iraq had the capability to strike with nuclear weapons within 30 minutes, based on the views of the highest ranking officials of two great nations. As we all now know they were spot on, not.
Now don't get me wrong, I have the greatest regard for the police force, I just don't think that a policemans view is any more valid than joe public.
Personally, I thought that offering a view that Mr Readhead may have had some underlying reason for making his comments due to a misfortune was quite valid and if not amusing. I don't think that the author deserved to be dismissed in quite the fashion he/she was.
Oh well, everyone to his own. I must be going soft in my old age.
Devils Advocate.
PS - Budgens is what it is, it does the job OK. If you think it doesn't you have a choice, don't shop there.
Really sad to read that Rod Young had such a dreary visit to Faringdon - personally I think the town is a beautiful place to visit and the churchyard looks stunning whatever the length of grass!
It's a shame to slate the town because of one quiet day but I don't suppose we can expect everyone to love us!
As for feeling smug and pleased with myself - I don't think so, just trying to have a sense of humour, you should try it sometime Citizen Smith?!
I thought signing off as 'Wooden Spoon' might just give the oh so subtle hint that I'm here to stir, not represent any particular view point but never mind, fun has clearly left this space and Orwellian paranoia has taken a deadly grip.
What a sorry state of affairs - I guess I'll just return to the kitchen drawer.
Wooden Spoon Faringdon
How pleased with yourself you must have been to have unearthed the other camera story about Ian Readhead, and no doubt you felt rather smug attempting to justify why the deputy chief constable may have objections to the increase of cameras in the UK.
There is however a major flaw with your comeback posting - the issue I was bringing to reader's attention was that of CCTV surveillance and not traffic "Gatso" speed cameras. Just in case you are not aware of the difference, traffic speed cameras are there to make huge amounts of revenue for the police and CCTV cameras are used for crime prevention and detection.
Now, had Mr Readhead been caught on CCTV committing a criminal offence, then yes you would then expect him to have a "bugbear" about CCTV cameras, but the case you refer to was in relation to traffic speed cameras, and so the two stories are not related as much as you would like them to be to discredit his remarks. So no, the debate doesn't continue.
Nice try though!
Citizen Smith (formerly known as name
supplied)
I find it very difficult to defend our lovely town.
If you had gone to one of the pubs or hotels you would have found food (including baguettes) for less than a fiver. Just because you're in a licensed premises does not force you to drink alcohol if that is not your thing. After all they have been here for several hundred years to provide sustenance to travellers of all persuasions. That is still their job.
I cannot defend Budgens as I support your view and have done ever since they bought the premises from Carters (who were excellent). I'm sorry about the disabled bay, we know they are abused and the control of parking ( in fact parking in general) is a matter of controversy.
I'm very surprised about the churchyard as our park keeper is very meticulous about his job. He has had some extra work put on him lately and we have had some rain (at last). I can only assume he wasn't expecting to have so much on his plate.
Our town is a lovely, usually vibrant and thriving place. You seem to have caught us on an "off" day. I hope it won't deter you from returning in the future and proving that we are worth visiting.
(Head above the parapet)
Jane Boulton
We called in at Faringdon on Sunday because Buscot House (our first choice) was closed and we needed some lunch.
We were also looking forward to a walk around the town.
What a disappointment.
The only cafe open wanted over £5.00 for a baguette (but luckily had run out), the Budgens didn't have any sandwiches or cold drinks, the gents toilet was locked up, the churchyard grass was overgrown, your disabled bay in the town square is used by all the locals as parking for the cashpoint, and there was a general feeling of malaise about the town.
Very sad.
Rod Young
It has just come to our attention that there is some grant funding available for small organisations from the Vale of White Horse District Council.
If you are in an organisation that requires grant funding please contact Launa Edwards from the Vale of White Horse District Council on 01235 520202 Ext 369.
When you speak to Launa, please mention that you heard about this information from FAP and OCVA.
All grants application forms must be completed and returned to the Vale by the 31 May 2007.
Thank you Julie Farmer
FAP
Interesting to note the visitor from Kent (15/5) mentioning the first time a warm up act getting an encore.
Those who saw 'Breathe - a celebration of Pink Floyd' at the junior school last September will remember Neil Dwerryhouse receiving a well deserved encore as the support act.
And for those want to see a repeat visit www.faringdonartsfestival.org and see both 'Breathe' and 'Neil Dwerryhouse and the Young Gods' at the junior school on the 9th June.
This will be a very special event as the Junior School Choir will also be supporting 'Breathe' on 'Another Brick in the wall'
Sean Hodgson
The creeping scourge of Orwellian surveillance fills me with alarm
When THEY realise the huge cost of servicing and storing this constant electronic scrutiny, it is likely that THEY will be forced to do a deal with the juggernaut of commerce, and sell the footage.
I happened to notice when looking in the mirror the other day, that I had a smidgen of unsightly facial hair. Until now, I have been able to stride boldy around town safe in the knowledge that (judging by the way I get barged out of queues) I am invisible. With the encroachment of this ever more sophisticated CCTV technology will everyone get to know that I am developing 'Desperate Dan' whiskers?
I dread to think that I will become the unwitting 'before' star of some advertisement for hair removing therapy.
The way things are going, IT COULD HAPPEN HERE.
Agoraphobic
That'll be the same Deputy chief Constable Ian Readhead who appeared in court a while back because of a problem with his police force and speed cameras - I think the man may have a bit of a bug-bear about cameras due to the following story! (Courtesy of ABD News Archive)
'Hampshire Police have been fined £500 for failing to identify the driver of an unmarked police car snapped by one of their own cameras (Stop sniggering at the back!). The car was photographed doing 48mph in a 30mph zone, but the driver did not come forward to own up (well done that man!) and despite a four month investigation (good to know our police are spending their time so wisely) the police were unable to identify who had been driving it.
Deputy chief constable Ian Readhead was thus obliged to appear in court and pleaded guilty to the charge of failing to give information about the identity of the driver. He went on to claim that the driver had "tarnished the reputation of the constabulary"'
...and so the debate continues!
Wooden Spoon
Faringdon
I just wanted to say thanks to Faringdon Cricket Club for organising a fundraiser for me.
I'm travelling to the border of Mozambique and South Africa on 3rd June for a month to volunteer at Moholoholo Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre which contributes to the conservation of endangered species and the rehabilitation of injured and poisoned wildlife.
We had a great night playing Deal or no Deal and eating curry and burgers.We raised enough to pay for my malaria tablets and boots.
Thanks to everyone who has supported me
Danny Thurston
Recently on this forum there was a small debate about CCTV in Faringdon. I thought you may be interested that a person "in the know" has recently expressed concerns over the amount of CCTV cameras in the UK and their intrusion transforming this country into an "Orwellian state".
No folks these are not the words of a "Nutter" or someone who is described as "paranoid" or the easily dismissed Mr David Icke, in fact the person expressing concern is Deputy chief Constable Ian Readhead of Hampshire Police.
You can read the BBC story here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673579.stm
It is certainly refreshing to see someone in uniform with the
guts to speak out.
Name Supplied
Many thanks for all the letters, phone calls, and comments posted here on this wonderful on-line community, especially Martin Phillips (wine bar), expressing support of this little restaurant plodding along, minding its own business.
Good idea to move the stage away from open businesses, it has been mentioned before.
Anyway I think that all that needs to be said about the MAD Friday, has indeed now been said. It was a good idea. Faringdon lives, it is alive with good ideas and culture.
Well done to the arts week and the artists responsible for the Portwell Monument, it looks FANTASTIC being alive with vibrant colours, can we keep it like that.
Andy Boston
I Just want to say how much my 15yr old daughter and her 13 yr old brother enjoyed helping out with the Faringdon festival.
They volunteered to spend the friday night filming the crowds in the square with my camcorder and the reception they got from everyone attending as their efforts were projected onto the big screen was an amazing buzz for them.
They told me in no uncertain terms that they would love to help out with future events and also said they finally met up with their neighbours and realised just what a great place Faringdon is.
To inspire my techno kids takes some doing.
To drag them from their games and screens is an incredible feat in itself.
To make them want more is a dream come true!
Jo Fraser
Hi, this is Hilary, MADD person.
Having just read the latest on Talking Points, I would like to point out that the whole of the Friday night's music was centered upon the theme of water. The stage was put outside the Pump House because up to 1939 the well outside the pump house was the only running water in Faringdon. The well which we dressed on the Monday bank holiday was crucial to Faringdon's existence. We worked with "Oxford Inspires" to highlight the need for water in places which are not as lucky as we are. That is why the event was titled "Go with the Flow"
The music was only there for one evening and brought a lot of people out into the fresh air to listen and watch the wonderful lighting. Two youngsters from Faringdon C.C. used the experience to video and project the event as part of their course-work. One or two people have complained but most have been complimentary.
It was a taste of sunshine and Africa for many of us.
Try Notting Hill if you really want to experience (or not experience} BIG sound! There were programmes and posters everywhere plus postings on several websites for the computer literate.
What else do we have to do to make people aware of our intentions?
Fore-warned is for-armed but try enjoying life - it's fun.
Hilary Prince-Braunton
Just to let everyone know that something went a little awry with the link in Julie's post below.
Fear not, the Festival website is up and running just as it should be!
Head over to http://www.faringdonartsfestival.org (just copy and paste if in doubt) to see what we're up to.
More updates coming day by day, so stay tuned!
Caroline Symcox
Please check out our new website for the Faringdon Arts Festival.
www.faringdonartsfestival.org
Well done Caroline Symcox and her team.
Look out for our new brochures, they will be available in the next few weeks, also look out for the Oxford Times, we're in there to.
Julie Farmer
Thank you so much for your kind letter which one received today. It is so refreshing to find a like minded soul. My out look on life is simple, just as you can lead a horse to water, but not make it drink, equally, you can lead an idiot to culture but not make them think.
Thank you also for your kind invitation to your establishment, sadly this I must decline. Tristram has been and informs me that it is indeed a jolly place to go to, lots of tottie.
His lordship is fine, he also will be unable to attend,unfortunately wine women and song has been his downfall.The smell of a wine bar would set him back decades. He is however easier to manage as I had him done the same time as the cat. He does however take the ocasional Viagra, but thats more to stop him falling out of bed.
Thank you once again for your kind words, you must come up to the house one night, we are always having parties, balls shoots ect, do you do outside bars?
Lady Constance DeCoverlette (Mrs)
As an impartial onlooker at the problem of music in the Market Place.
When music is to be played, can the stage not be placed outside the Lloyds Bank building, where no businesses are open, T
hen the loud speakers positioned pointing towards the old town hall.
Then no restaurants need to close, and everyone will be happy.
Name Supplied
How absolutely delightful to read your posting on this quaint little site again. My, how refreshing it is when we are honoured with your presence and decorum.
I was so pleasantly surprised to realise that we think alike, not that I profess to rise to your level of intelligence or education of course, I can only aspire in this respect. Imagine my surprise however when I read your suggestion that we provide Camomile tea in the Bistro, as in fact we already do!
How wonderful!
You really must take tea in the Bistro some time. Camomile, Earl Grey, Darjeeling, Peppermint, Green Tea, and Elderflower, strawberry and rose no less are all available. There is even English Breakfast tea for the chauffeur once he has deposited the Bentley in Budgens car park.
I couldn't help but notice the parentheses at the end of your note. I do hope everything is spiffing with his Lordship, but may I suggest that you leave him at the Manor one Ladies' Wednesday (how appropriately named) and visit the Bistro perhaps with the Marchioness, as you will receive a 10% discount if you leave 'im indoors. Hurrah!
Your eternal servant
Martin Phillips
Ed: Quaint little site indeed - this is our pride and joy!!
Local lad Jon Perry is currently spending a year in Japan as part of his studies.
Next weekend, 18-20 May, he is taking part in the Japanese Trailwalker, an Oxfam team event involving a 100 km walk over 2 days and nights to the foot of Mount Fuji.
Jon, an ex-pupil of the Community College, a member of the tennis club and a keen pub-quizzer is hoping that his friends in Faringdon and surrounds will help him raise money for Oxfam.
If you wish to sponsor him for this event please go to www.justgiving.com/blisters&longlegs.;
Thanks Jill and Steve Perry
I gather from the website that you are interested in the Corn Exchange’s future so assume you may also be interested in its past
Regards Albert Ross
Although the wholesale demolition of buildings to replace them with more lucrative alternatives is fairly new it was not unknown 150 years ago. The owners of a public house in Gloucester Street and his neighbour in Marlborough Street decided to knock down their adjacent properties and build a hall which could be let out for a large profit. Planning Permission was required even in those days but as the owners had a “nudge nudge wink wink” relationship with most of the Council no problems were anticipated. Remember this was before the advent of Faringdon.org so the general public knew very little about what happened in the smoke filled Council Chambers. Unfortunately one councillor had an unfortunate social conscience but he was placated by the promise that a statue, bearing his wife’s name, would be mounted above the door of the new building. It can still be seen there as the Council kept their promise and the name is carved on the plinth on which it stands but the Council, feeling they had been blackmailed into providing it, ensured that the name was engraved only on the back.
Just a few days before work was to commence the Marlborough Street property owner pulled out of the deal leaving the Gloucester Street owner with the plans for a very ornate, and it must be admitted, imposing building with windows looking out on to Gloucester St, Marlborough St. and the Town Centre but with only half the space required for its erection. The Artist’s impression of the intended building clearly shows it would have graced our town then and still would now. No problem ! Even in these enlightened times it is not unknown for the final development to differ from the approved proposal and in those days it was simply a case of running the equivalent of a Stanley Knife down the centre of the architect’s drawing then building what was left.
That is why we have a lopsided mock Gothic edifice with a modest entrance standing in an imposing position looking out over our Market Place. That is also why even the occasional Japanese Happy Snapper takes a quick look through his viewfinder, shakes his head, and decides not to bother.
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One has not been on this little site for such a long time as his Lordship and I have been visiting the Empire,or what is left of it I should say, my cousin, Lillybet, really hasn't much left now,poor darling, you just cannot get a good run up for a decent holiday nowadays, just three months and you have to come home, hardly worth getting your maid to pack the trunks and the butler to put away the silver.
Anyway I digress.
Upon reading the post it notes, I find that you have not been playing nicely with each other.in fact you have caused a bit of a hullabloo. Have you all been on the fizzy pop? bless my giddy Aunt, this will not do.
Firstly, you must get your Maid to make you up some soothing Camomile tea, an idea you could take up Mr Philips perhaps? and get all of those nasty little E numbers out of your system,
secondly, I think TP should be, for just one month only, TCP, Talking Caringly, Points.Then just like that evil smelling anticeptic sorts out medical problems in the real world,T.C.P could sort out all the cyber germs and viruses on here.
A litle dab of good manners and a gargle of politeness will help to heal the wounds.
Of course, after the month is up, you can go back to tearing large chunks out of each other again, but that is the joy of living in this scrummy little town, is it not?.
Lady Constance DeCoverlette.(Ms.)
Congratulations Faringdon, what a great way to introduce the town to tourists.
We live in Witney & came across the Madd Faringdon website & spent all day Sunday & Monday with you - shame we missed Friday & Saturday.
Keep up the good work, hope you go from strength to strength
Sheila and Bob
Saw the Hamsters show a week ago at the junior school, absolutely brill, well worth coming up from sunny Kent to see.
My father lives in Didcot and every time I've visited him for the past umpteen years, I kept banging on and on to several of his neighbours about the Hamsters, so it was ideal to go and see.
They all loved the show. And weren't the Reservoir Cats excellent.
That's the only time I've ever seen a warm up band get an encore.
Any chance of a repeat performance?
Chris Lee
I'm not sure what VWHDC would do with the Corn Exchange- but it is now their building, their asset and the maintenance and improvement of it should remain their responsibility. We will be paying for it anyway through our Council Tax- but once instead of twice
They may even want to achieve the amazing £2959 that is called profit. - but of course it's not really profit. The Town Council still operate an old style approach to budgeting, ie not a cost or service centred approach(as done by most councils these days) So this profit figure does not include a share of all the costs associated with the Corn Exchange.- the amount allocated for maintenance, a share of salaries - caretaker and management, a share of general overheads, provision for improvements (eg secondary glazing).
It's a bit like saying the cost of running a car is the petrol, tax and insurance and nothing else.
I suspect VWHDC have calculated the likely real costs - hence their reasons for wanting to offload the Corn Exchange back onto the Town. If they don't want it, maybe it should be given back to the town- it seems we are likely to be paying for most of it anyway.
Similarly the Pump House loss of £1535 does not include the loan repayment costs(£13.6k), the costs of capital, caretaker/management costs, share of overheads, provision for future maintenance.
It's not really a big deal that the Council structures it's budget this way, but only if the costs of each service are fully calculated elsewhere. I have a fear that this is not done- why else would Steve quote £2959 as profit. Why aren't the full costs published? (in this era of transparent government)
It is fundamental for any organisation to know the full cost of service in order to make informed decisions when considering any changes.
But Steve is right - it is not all about costs -but these must be complete and clear before leading the town into another long term contract.
Remember the Pump House story - the costs quadrupled- and we will be paying for a building we don't own for many years to come
Remember too that the town meeting was packed because the 15 minute club was not allowed to continue there, and yes most people voted to keep the Corn Exchange in the hands of the Town Council.
Ask us again:
when you have a full and clear statement of costs - forecast over the whole term of the proposed lease
When the alternatives have been fully investigated
When you can ask a wider cross section of residents, having presented them with a complete set of facts
Gene Webb
PS: Correction - I gather the Corn Exchange is Grade II listed, not Grade I
PPS: I did look on the Council Website for the budget papers - to no avail. I could put them on this site if anyone is interested enough??
First of all I must make it clear that as far as I know I have never met Gene Webb or Steve Leniec so my comments are unbiased. I am sure that at some time I must have stood with them in the queue at Budgens while some customer is trying to make sense of her bill (men don't seem to take the same interest) and it is more than probable that we have exchanged friendly toots on our horns as we try to negotiate the road outside LloydTSB in opposite directions.
Gene implies that the cost for Faringdonians of running and updating our Grade 1 listed building could be reduced by allowing the Vale to fund it. She describes it as a financial Albatross and I agree 100% with her because I believe that she takes the trouble to investigate all the pros and cons. When it was built about 150 years ago (and No, I didn't lay the Foundation Stone ) it may have had some appeal but to drag it into the 21st century and ensure that its use wouldn't bother one or two of the neighbours would be at a cost that I, for one, would prefer not to share.
Steve Leniec disagrees with Gene and he gives a different interpretation of the same facts and I find I also totally agree with him because he also appears to investigate all the pros and cons. He criticises Gene's figurative use of the word Albatross as pejorative but would he settle for White Elephant meaning that while it might be described as decorative by some it is far too expensive to maintain ?
I assume that neither Gene nor Steve has a personal axe to grind and they are both acting in the town's best interests so, as I don't pretend to understand all the pros and cons I will probably do what most of us will which is allow someone else to make the big decisions. Later, when it is far too late, if I don't like what is decided I will use my fantastic powers of hindsight to criticise the result here on TPs
HGM
I've lived here for only 15 years. I wasn't born here, but I am one of the many hundreds (probably thousands) of people who have settled in the town after meeting some of, what I am absolutely certain will be, the people who will turn out to be lifelong friends. And I need to talk, so if Hilary and Gene will permit me, I will.
I can't compare it with any other town's website, but I also love Faringdon.org. The opportunity for people to air their views is fantastic and enlightening. I have only once posted on here anonymously, and then only because I wanted to cause a bit of a laugh when my very good friend David Reynolds admitted on here that he had sounded his horn in The Market Place. I fully intended to reveal my identity after the whiplash, but my anonymous posting created no whiplash whatsoever, and so disappeared as a silent backfire.
Lesson learnt? I don't think so, as I do appreciate those who feel their comments and opinions might backfire on themselves maliciously. A good example is again David Reynolds, who had the strength to state fact regarding Alan Hickmore's stance regarding the 15 Minute Club (which David and I run) when it was held at the Corn Exchange. I was there on the evening that Alan did indeed state that in his respected opinion we (I assume he was referring to me and David) were "selfish" for staging the 15 Minute Club on a Sunday night (more on this later). In my opinion Alan's understanding of selfish is questionable as it was proven that the strength of feeling for the live music on Sundays by far outweighed the feelings against, even from those within earshot of the Corn Exchange.
David's posting was not malicious, but factual. If you're a councillor then you are not withholding your name, so you are not hiding behind any parapet. You can be shot at in the same way as people on this site who do not withhold their name.
Let's respect each other's opinions and keep all this friendly, please.
This is not personal, and I'm sure we all wish Alan a speedy recovery.
Before going into the reasons why it is held on a Sunday night, it is important to understand that no artists get paid for playing at The 15 Minute Club. I think most people (artists and audience) who attend the 15 Minute Club understand why we hold it on a Sunday night, but for the record it is for the following reasons:
1. Accomplished artists often get booked for paid gigs on Fridays and Saturdays. As a town we should encourage this, as it can only be good for the town. "Where are these guys/gals from?" is probably the most common question at any live gig. Surely "a tiny town called Faringdon in Oxfordshire" or "right here in Faringdon" is good for us.
2. Up and coming and wannabe accomplished artists need learn only 4 or 5 numbers rather than a full set before having the opportunity to play live in front of an audience. Daunting!
3. Made less daunting by the fact that it's a Sunday night, everyone has work the next day so it's nice and relaxed, the audience haven't paid a fortune to get in, and moreover they are friendly, receptive and encouraging to anyone who has the nerve to get up there and just do it. That's us; it sums us up, Faringdonians.
4. If the artists keep improving, they will get paid weekend gigs locally and further afield. Just think of Bobby Moore's Shorts, Jon Lane's Boogie Me, Powertrain, Phil Baker, Gorgeous Moron, The Magpies, who all started playing at the 15 Minute Club. Ask them.
5. Even already accomplished artists find that playing at The 15 Minute Club boosts their confidence and musical careers. For example soloists such as Steve Day, Trev Williams, Neil Dwerryhouse, Shaun Green and many others who have gone on to form bands.
6. So even if you now understand why it is not held on a Friday or Saturday, why a Sunday? The reason is that most people don't work on a Sunday, and behind the scenes in order to make the event work a good few hours have to be put in before it starts. The venue has to be prepared, and moreover Tim Cartwright and Rod Green put in considerable time and effort in setting up their own sound and lighting equipment (expensive, paid for themselves through their own hard work). Any other day would not be possible without them taking time off work.
The tragic element here is that live music has suffered in the town as a direct result of the Corn Exchange problems. It is no secret that I was planning to convert the old theatre behind the Pump Rooms into a dedicated music venue. However, I have reported to the Town Council that I am not prepared to risk a considerable investment in a venture that a massive minority can close down. I do respect personal opinion, but I need more faith in democracy. Roll on the Corn Exchange sound proofing!
In the meantime, some smaller live gigs are still occurring in the town. I'm sure the management of The Old Crown Coaching Inn won't mind me saying that The 15 Minute Club has contributed significantly to the Crown becoming the best "large" music venue in the town, albeit much smaller than The Corn Exchange. Let's keep supporting live music locally, wherever it is.
That comes on to the next point. The larger events such as Faringdon Arts Festival, Party in the Park and the MAD May Fest all take a vast amount of effort to organise, and whilst the former events are run purely voluntarily with no personal profit, they are all run for the enjoyment of the majority. Indeed, we all pay for an element of all three events via grants from our Town Council. If they are well managed then please let's not knock them just because the music might be too loud for our personal taste. It is fair comment though if they are not well managed. These events are not too frequent (in my opinion not frequent enough), and all good for the community spirit, tourist attraction and economy of our town.
In this respect, I would refer to Andy Boston's comments from The Market Restaurant. I can speak first hand about Andy and Jo's commitment to the town. After the first Faringdon Arts Festival they contributed along with many other businesses in the town to a collection to pay for a night out to thank the voluntary organisers who freely gave up so much of their personal time to ensure that the event took place. Andy and Jo had closed as the event was detrimental to their business that weekend, yet they still contributed where some others refused, in some cases even where their business was boosted.
And finally:
1. Come on Charlotte, we're all itching to read your posting, even if it is anonymous!
2. Great news about Harry Potter. Will it be surpassed by Paul Cornell's impending Dr Who double bill? (26th May and 2nd June, BBC1)
3. Harry - my spell check was ok but please do check my grammar!
Don't you just love Faringdon?
Martin Phillips
Ed: So do I
This episode, Human Nature', followed the week after (2/6/07) with 'The Family of Blood'.
Both written by Paul Cornell of Faringdon
Gene Webb
Whilst I welcome further debate on the future of the Corn Exchange and the town's relationship with the Vale district council I regret the use of pejorative labels such as "albatross".
The facts are rather different from those put forward by Gene. The Corn Exchange hall actually produced a modest profit on revenue income over expenditure in the last financial year - some £2,959. This despite the loss of regular live music bookings for the last quarter of the year.
The Pump House figures for the last year on a similar basis show a small deficit of £1,535 which is largely due to a very high rates banding which the council is challenging.
The costs of refurbishment on the building would have been incurred even if we had surrendered the lease to the landlord and under those circumstances the town would have lost a magnificent set of community rooms which are beginning to be well used.
On the question of the lease negotiation with the Vale,it is just that; we have not yet finalised the terms of any lease, I have simply reported the current position. Officers at the Vale understand that the Town Council will not take on the building at any cost, there is a point where we are prepared to walk away, although even that option as with the Pump Rooms COMES AT A COST.
The Vale have also indicated that they have no wish to run the building, remember that their only presence in our town is a cash office that is currently under threat of closure. Do you seriously believe that the Vale would continue to run the building as a public service if the Town Council pulled out?
Other options have been put forward as a live music venue:
The Junior School hall has a licence for 12 events per year, has no wish to extend this and would not want a bar situated in its main school hall.
The proposals for new build sound attractive but are long term and of necessity outside of the town centre. A figure of £2million has been suggested as a possible cost, yes there are grants available, but such a package would take some commitment and justification. Will the music scene survive and thrive in the meantime with no available venues?
At a packed Town meeting where future options for the Corn Exchange were considered the near unnanimous consent was for a continued live music venue. The votes for a hand back option amounted to one, but at least Gene is consistent in promoting her view.
It is true that we have the highest council tax in the Vale although others are catching up and we make every effort to provide value for money.
Faringdon is recognised as a vibrant "can do" town and that is achieved by residents with vision running May fests, Arts festivals, Dramatic groups,Festive Faringdon,Artistic skaters, sports clubs, and music events etc. All of which benefit from town council support in the form of grants or the use of facilities such as the Corn Exchange. When one considers that the cost per household over a minamalist council such as Wantage is a little over £1 per week it puts the level of tax against delivery into perspective. It should also be recognised that as the new housing is built the tax base will increase and economies of scale will improve.
The choice is ultimately one of a pro active council prepared to support local initiatives or one which simply leaves everything to market forces and private sector delivery. The views of Faringdon residents have been clearly expressed in favour of pro active support both in the case of the Corn Exchange and the Tourist Information Centre and as a Council we have listened and acted.
I hope that now the May elections are over and there is an administration in place at the Vale we can sort out the lease issue and achieve our commitment to live music in the Corn Exchange.
Steve Leniec
Steve Leniec wrote here 25/4/07
The draft lease (from VWHDC) proposed a 7 year term and onerous reparations at the end of the term. Town Council takes the view that if we are to invest large sums in a building owned by the Vale we need the security of a longer term.................The draft lease proposed a 7 year term and onerous reparations at the end of the term. Council takes the view that if we are to invest large sums in a building owned by the Vale we need the security of a longer term. (25 years was mentioned) ................It was made clear that the Vale will seek a 50/50 split on repair costs with the town bearing 100% of the cost of any "improvements".
The Corn Exchange is and always has been an important building in the town. Indeed it is the only public building big enough for certain activities, but with limitations we know about - unsuitable for loud music, unsuitable for the drama group.
I am concerned that The Town Council commit to the suggested lease terms(25 years, 50:50 repairs, all improvement costs). We are already the highest Council Tax payers in the Vale - largely because of the Pump House (initial refurb costs were est £100k, actual costs nearer £500k(inc legal fees, £200k loan (I think) outstanding)
The Corn Exchange, like the Pump House, will always be an expensive building to maintain. Also it looks very tired and I think needs significant refurbishment to bring it up to a good standard- cloakrooms, WCs, bar, floor, decoration, maybe kitchen- and of course the double glazing.
We want the building, but can we afford it and the Pump House??
A former Town Council did give it to the District Council many years ago, because we couldn't afford it. (The deal was that the town would run it at a peppercorn rent, the Vale was responsible for repairs/improvements)
I suggest we still can't afford it and that we let the VWHDC fund it (we will still be paying, - a proportion of our Council Tax does go to the Vale)- I suspect they fund and run similar buildings in Abingdon and Wantage.
I guess there would be some concern that the Vale would change the use - flats? offices? - unlikely I feel as it is a Grade 1 listed building
What does everyone else think??
Gene Webb
8mth old White and Brindle Greyhound missing from Clanfield, last seen morning of 10th May by neighbours shortly after escaping from my garden!
He is a big baby and very nervous around strangers and will panic if cornered.
We have no idea which direction he headed in. He was wearing a leather collar with two blue tags. He has been microchipped and police and vets within the area have been informed. Reward offered for his safe return.
If you have any information please call me on 07917 546688
Jeanette Ross
What a refresingly postive comment from someone for a change, and in the context of lost revenue. Good on you sir.
Mrs Hickmore - may I apologies on behalf of all those who have made personal and direct insults which have caused you distress. If they are not feeling a pang of guilt then stuff them I say - they know who they are.
Lets see how big they actually are and whether they offer their own apologies for the insults.
As I have always said, if you have a different viewpoint from someone then attack the viewpoint, not the person.
Devil's Advocate (sorry but I will remain behind my sham name thank you very much)
I hope Mr Hickmore is on the mend
I have just read comments on my husband Alan Hickmore, I have to say they distressed me.
I hope those people who fail to give their names on talking points are ashamed of themselves. My husband has worked long a hard for this town. Has never claimed to get everything right but at least he tries his best for this community. If you want to change something put your own heads above the parapet.
So Mr and Mrs Reynolds might not like him!!! I have never meet them to know whether I like them. Has he personally been and done them any real harm? or was he representing views that he felt at the time were probably not popular but correct. How many of you give up your time to drive disadvantaged people on the community bus?. How many of you give up 2/3 evening a week for the town?
There are many people in this town unseen and unheard that had benefitted from help and support from my husband. Could it be that he does so much because others know that if they ask him to do something he will do it willingly to the best of his ability.
The closure of the Corn Exchange to the music bands was not Alan's personal action it was the action of the enviromental health officers representing the people living around the Corn Exchange. Alan has never courted popularity but I can tell you that you never walk through this town with him without people waving, stopping to shake hands and stopping him for a chat, it takes ages to get the shopping done.
Please, decide perhaps you don't like his politics but don't go about trying to destroy somebody's good name and character for your own pleasure and fun and then hide behind a silly sham name.
Thank you to all the people to did vote for Steve and Alan. Thank you also for all the good wishes we have had during his recent illness.
Alison Hickmore
Thanks to those who have commented on the extra-loud sound system at the Friday night music event. We have now been at the Market Restaurant for nearly 14 years, are proud to support all the towns events, including the music in the market place. We appreciate all the hard work and planning that goes in to organizing such events.
Indeed the quality of the band this year was fantastic.
In the early days of the music events we indeed had customers leave due to the sound levels, after that, whenever we were told of an event outside the restaurant, we closed for the night to avoid upset for those who had booked. As we were not told about the 'live music' until after we had confirmed reservations, we opened this year.
Unfortunately, the stage and music system was directly outside and was so loud as to cause offence to many, some however loved it..
I can confirm, I did speak to both the organizer (Sam) and to the sound man, requesting that the base level was reduced, but was passed off or ignored as petty minded. mmmmm
So YES, as a local business we do lose money on the evening, but we are happy to do this in support of the event.
DON'T STOP THE LIVE MUSIC, keep up the good work, just keep us informed. Or indeed just move the speakers. . But do tell us what is happening so as we can close and not cause upset to our valued and loyal customers.
Andy Boston
Market Restaurant
May I add my thanks and congratulations to Sam and Hilary for a fantastic MADD Fest.
There was something for everybody. Everybody, that is, who enjoys living in and supporting a vibrant community.
The music was great and made me realise how deprived we've been since the demise of the Corn Exchange as a performance venue - although the Crown is doing a grand job.
For the few people who are less happy may I suggest they google 'music festivals' to check out the places they should avoid when escaping to somewhere quiet for the weekend, especially during Faringdon Arts Festival.
And try it if you want to know where else to go for live music...even Burford rocks!
Sheila
Thankyou for your contribution, I would really like to publish it, but we have a strict rule not to publish contributions where the sender is not identifiable.
Perhaps you'd email me with more information
Thankyou
Ed
genewebb@nildram.co.uk
I would like to congratulate Sam and the Mayor for a wonderful Bank Holiday offering. The music was excellent and the Combat Golf fiendish!
This was the best MADD yet; long may it continue.
To those who did not enjoy the experience, well there are always a few aren't there.
Re the comments on certain Councillors, I would love to join in the debate, if not the praise, but perhaps enough has been said already.
Mike Perks
"I've lived in Faringdon for 4.5 years and this is the first time I've been up the Folly"
Can anyone beat that??
Gene Webb
Ed: Health walks officially 'opened' today, 30 walkers today, 1 or 2 miles. Every Wednesday 10.30 outside the Bell
Faringdons 4th Arts Festival will be taking place on the 6, 7 and 8 July 2007.
We plan to have live music, a stage in the middle of the Market Place, dance, K9 and the Dalek. Face painting together with a few exhibitions and workshops.
There will be something for everyone to enjoy.
Our brochure will be produced in the next few weeks and should be delivered door to door.
However is you do not get a copy please find one at the Portwell Wine Bar.
For more information please call 01367 246003.
Julie Farmer
Faringdon is the third biggest pre-orderers of Harry Potter!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/6637701.stm
Is this all down to David at the White Horse Bookshop?
Well done!
Paul Cornell
M.A.D.D. would like to thank all the people who came and supported the May Fest.
The Friday night although chilly was much warmed by the stunning light show, amazing music by the SOOTHSAYERS and DANNY PRINCE, which gave a significant number of Faringdon residents and visitors an enjoyable evening.
This feeling of festivity continued throughout the event.
The exhibition in the pump rooms was well attended-a first for Flickr.
Salsa dance proved to be a hit.
Youth bands in the Town Park were blessed with good weather.
Despite the adverse conditions on Monday morning Faringdons stoics attended the madrigals sung by The Folly singers from the Folly Tower and later battled with Kombat golf.
The Junior school were thrilled with their Well Dressing.
M.A.D.D. are pleased to have played apart in instigating three new Faringdon traditions.
Sam Prince
Why dont we appoint a Music Ombudsman for Faringdon.
He or she could be situated at the top of the Folly Tower with a complaints hotline and a Big Volume Control Knob to which all Music Venues would be obliged to link to.
He/She would then be perfectly equipped to
a) receive complaints and
b) observe if customers were being obliged to leave restaurants early. Then he or she could spring into action at the slightest sign of trouble and turn it down a bit.
Persistant offenders could be fined large amounts of money to pay for secondary double glazing at the Corn Exchange
Pimpernel
I can't believe the two small-minded killjoys (Freda and name supplied) are moaning about the music on Friday night! It last no more than three hours!
You had ample warning that there would be a band in the square on Friday, yet still seemed incapable of moving your bookings. Maybe the stage should have been placed in the Corn Exchange....oh hold on, we can't do that can we?
I think the low crowd was more down to the weather than anything else. Also, I'm not sure if this event was publicised outside of Faringdon - but if it wasn't then it should be.
But please be aware that the Faringdon Arts Festival is happening on 6,7 and 8 of July and that there may be a little noise which may upset your little eardrums. Without the Mayfest, the Arts Festival and the 15 Minutes Club Faringdon will remain a small, uninspiring town that is slowly dying.
Except for the Craft Fairs, obviously.
If the Arts Festival is going to impact severely on your pipe and slipper lifestyle, then I am happy to contribute to a fund that will allow both of you to spend the weekend in Eastbourne, or somewhere else that can offer you the more sedate lifestyle that you obviously crave.
Ray
I for one, and amongst many people I have spoken to, enjoyed the atmosphere and music of The Soothsayers, in the Market Place on Friday night. This was a special outdoor event of which there aren't many in this town.
There was quite a bit of publicity about the event and others that followed over the weekend, which I happen to know was put through people's doors and there were public signs about.
Ok, the dj could have taken the bass down somewhat and there's probably a case for being more proactive with consulting nearby businesses.
They were quite a special and very talented band, who played something out of the ordinary, Afrobeat, dub and fusion, probably not to everyone's taste (what is?), but I applaud the initiative to present different types of performance.
Well done to MADDMayfest for livening up this sometimes sleepy town.
Bring on the ska band!
Roland Alphonso
I must agree with F.Borders regarding 'over enthusiastic music'.
We often eat out in the towns restaurants.
We (a party of 4) were booked in to eat at the Market Place Restaurant on Friday night.
While I admire efforts to entertain the town, Sadly we had to leave early due to the vibration from the loud music.
We also commented that there were more people hiding from, that listening to the entertainment.
Is it not possible to locate the stage away from restaurants?
Old fogie (not !) (42) who actually likes music!
Name supplied
Pimpernel
Thank you so much for my postcard Harry, In responce to the message on the back, No, I 'm glad I wasn't there either.
Jim Horton
Dear Scot, I am saddened that you have felt the need to criticize research that you have not read. The research I referred to has nothing to do with CCTV but the common causal pathways to criminal behaviour and crime with relation to zero tolerance policing. It was a two year Home Office funded study which has since been taken up by research groups in the UK, US and the Netherlands. I have reread my posting and I thought it was rather clear that I was not referring to CCTV research.
Also perhaps I did not make myself clear enough when referring to "automated" CCTV systems. What I was referring to was fully automated facial recognition and tracking systems, like those being trialled in airports and not the simplistic number plate recognition systems in use around the country. I am also fully aware of the street crime reduction initiatives in place in Oxford street and Huddersfield et al and their success in fighting crime in limited areas. It also might be of note that I have in no way related CCTV with "Big Brother" in my previous posting, so I am confused by this slant in your comments. I meant my previous posting to be a discussion piece and not a collection of definitive statements. e.g. Perhaps there is a need for the subtle placement of a CCTV system as a prophylaxis before the crime figures rise?
Can the moderator of this site please make a definitive statement regarding the lack of simple manners in some postings?
Edward Guerra (& sleepy Mojo)
I've been on holiday for the past few days with no access to a computer and I've just checked the website. I find that I have been promoted to Harry Kari, Harry Lime and prospective Councillor Mitchell and I have to say that the old adage "out of sight ( or should it be site ? ) out of mind " doesn't seem to apply in Faringdon.
I am quite flattered that I remained in your thoughts. I am also rather sad because it is obvious that some of you boys and girls have not been playing nicely during my absence and I would like to suggest that you bury the hatchet but I'm afraid it might be in each other.
I don't know enough about Data Collection or CCTV or even being a Councillor to join in the disputes so I'll just sit back and watch for a while.
In case you are wondering..Yes, thanks, I did have a nice time but I missed you all..well nearly all.
Harry G Mitchell
Thank you for your kind words Nit.
I have never been afraid to take on anyone who buys their printer ink by the gallon. Unfortunatly I don't have the luxury of unlimited time to spend agonising over every single dot and dash and syllable. Sometimes though, I must admit to making a mistake deliberatly, it always makes me chuckle to think that some people can't look past a spelling mistake to see the real meaning, or the passion or sometimes even the effort someone writing on here is trying to convey, you don't need a first at Oxford to have an opinion, and anyway, Dyslexia rules K.O.
David Reynolds opinions were valid, and the threat of " not good for your business" was rather dark and menacing, does that mean in future I have to be subserviant to everyone on here just to get decorating work?, I don't think so, for most of the time I can find humour in the post on here, but some things just put a bad taste in my mouth, and that's worse than any spelling mistake.
Jim Horton
- he could still be co-opted
Pimpernel
1) at no point did I suggest that I wanted to make a complaint about incorrect procedures. What I did is ask a question to inspire some discussion on Talking Points (which it did and continues to do so!)
2)In answer to your question, no I do not believe that data collection is only carried out in Faringdon (goodness there are some patronising people on this site who think they're the only ones with brain cells!!!)
3)Did you get elected? You're clearly something to do with the town council (oh pardon me if you're a member of the town council of course you didn't get elected because we people of Faringdon are obviously lazy, lacking commitment and not worthy to sit on our esteemed council? that's the impression I get from the comments made by certain people on here at least)
4) Long live freedom of speech; the right to personal opinion...oh and Talking Points!!
5) Now what controversy can we conjure up?...how about lets bring back slavery!?
Comments please!....
Name supplied
Last night (Friday) I came down to the market square to listen to the live music and have a nice meal in my favourite restaurant.
While the live band was very good and professional, the whole evening was ruined by the ridiculously loud amplifier which just shook the whole building. Then, when the recorded music was played during the breaks, IT WAS EVEN WORSE.
I asked the waitress to request that the volume was turned down, to no avail.
Then I was told that no spectators actually turned up until 9.00pm, and then only 30.
Is this event good for local businesses, or do they actually lose trade
Freda Borders
What next ?
I have been concerned at the recent postings on this website particularly about the data protection issues and the fact that very few residents want to take on the thankless task of being a Councillor so it was with some relief that I spotted Jim's comical Harry Kari piece (and my six year old grand daughter thinks he's very funny)
I understand that Harry is on holiday at the moment no doubt trying to recover from Jim's devastating verbal attacks which I know cause him a great deal of anxiety. I'm sure he would not be able to think of a suitable reply to the Harry Kari posting and if he did he wouldn't be so unkind as to point out that there is a difference between "to" and "too" and there never was, until Jim invented it, a word "Indefendable"
However Jim's humour adds a definite something to this website. . .though I'm not too sure what..but we would all miss it. Harry would now have more than twenty one votes.
Nit-Picker
You've got one thing right - the population of Faringdon is nearer 6000 than millions, and by now I expect you've realised that there were local elections all over the country, - or is the data collection to which you refer only carried out in Faringdon?
Perhaps you would like to enlighten us all with regard to the correct procedures which aren't/weren't being followed. I think we should be told, and you should make an official complaint.
name supplied
I don't know where you did your research (more than likely from the back of a matchbox) This is the biggest load of drivvle I have ever read.I work with the government sectors and implement this technology I can guarantee that this technology is not on trial it now being widely used in town centres and on raods and motorways to detect crime as it happens.
Take the CCTV project in oxford street in London one operator is online looking at a total of 24 screens and their is a team of 6 officers on the ground. the operator spots a crime taking place and informs the field officers they catch the offendor in the act or post the event with the goods on them.
Where you must be mistaken with the post crime philosophy is a crime is not a crime until after the offence has been commited. Take shop lifting the crime has not been commited until the offendor has left the shop so how can it be pre vented CCTV does deter them.
The reason why places like our Beloved Faringdon does not have CCTV is we do not have the crime rates of other larger towns and cities. And as for taking crime from the streets to the alleyways near your home is that not where Burglars lurk anyway as to avoid detection So the answer would be to put CCTV in the alley and force the crminals to use the streets so that they can be seen.
This is not a Big Brother thing unless you have something to hide
Scot Gildert
I wholly concur with Dee.
You have got the council you haven't voted for. As a town councillor I stand as an Independent.
I voted on Thursday for the people I thought did the most for our town.
Personally I don't think Party politics belong in local government, so my vote was eclectic.
Jane Boulton
As a former Deputy Mayor for 3 years and Town Mayor for 4 straight years.I gave this town my time 24/7 for 4 years as Mayor I enjoyed the time but Ha! people just dont stop moaning whatever we do.
I worked with Alan Hickmore for many years. Although his people skills are much to be desired at times he is the best Planning Chairman this town has ever had. The Knowledge and experience he has is second to none.
Alan, Steve leniec and myself were three of the team that took this town through the health check process and many other projects.
Faringdon residents have no idea the work Town councillors put in over and above their normal day.
Many working full time.
The elections were a good time for this town to elect the people they wanted to move the town forward. Where were they?
Faringdon gets the Council they Deserve!!
Dee England
Well done to Alison, Roger and Matthew and bad luck to all the others.
Votes not yet confirmed however with 800 plus, more votes each than any of the other candidates I'm not sure a recount will make any difference.
I have to say that I am surprised by the result particularly given some of the other candidates leaflet drop and the magnificent claims of achievements, for example, splitting the atom, being the first to land on Mars, creating a cure for aids and cancer, succeeding in world peace and inventing a car which runs off grass.
Just shows that most of us are not that stupid.
I think we all need to lighten up a bit.
Devils Advocate
Tom Melbank, as both a businessman and resident I have every right to speak my mind.
I'll continue to defend that democratic right, thank you very much.
David Reynolds
I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person but as was said earlier just think of the practicalities. The marking of ballot counterfoils, as laid out in the Parliamentary Election Rules 1983 and amended in the Electoral Administration Act 2006, is done to provide an evidentiary chain to counteract the rising use of fraud.
The use of a paper electoral system is specifically more secure than an electronic system because it has a man in the loop, making it an uneconomic and impractical method of collecting data. If a fraud has taken place then the economic argument is replaced by judicial investigation.
CCTV....until automated systems come around (at the moment they're only really on trial at high risk locations) then CCTV is only really used as post-crime evidence tool. Yes we have the highest CCTV per head of population rate of any country in the world but
1. It is becoming impossible to process/handle the data and
2. Crime rates and the costs of crime are still going up (Home Office Research Study 217).
There is some evidence that the placement of cameras can cause a displacement of criminal activity...do we as a community move the criminals from the streets to the alleyways behind your homes? The police already have the powers necessary to place automated cameras for the purposes of intelligence gathering.
Perhaps we should fund local initiatives to reduce criminal activity? Local solutions to local problems? The small amount of research I have done does lead me to conclude that a zero tolerance approach to criminal behaviour does lead to an overall decrease in reported crime. Just a thought...
Also, is this really the venue for the increasingly vitriolic personal bitch slapping?
It's very tiresome...
Edward Guerra (&Mojo)
I think there's a bit of definition dodging going on here.
This isn't a slagging match between two personally-involved opponents. A councillor is a public official, and what they do is subject to public criticism.
Much as I'm a fan of certain politicians, and feel bad when the media have a go at them, I'd never seriously suggest, as one of the posters here has, that the mere existence of such criticism is unfair and out of the question.
This is a public forum.
These are not murky stabs in the back, this is the public complaining about the failings of one of their elected officials, in public.
Not having enough councillors to make this town a democracy is our own fault.
Bad policies and public relations are the councillor's.
And I'd like to add my voice to those who have said: of course there's nobody monitoring ballot papers.
Yes, it would be fun to live in a totalitarian state, because then all our moaning would be justified and all our protests heroic.
Unfortunately, we don't.
Paul Cornell
RE Councillor Hickmore, my husband's (and every other person's comments) are not vindictive, just a true representation of their experiences.
With regard to defining "decent" most of us know the dictionary definition.
However, "name supplied" quite understandably in this case, must think you have a completely different understanding of the word!
Trish Reynolds
yes it's serious and
yes I do think there are people who go through the detail of local elections (I thought Faringdon was nearer 6000 population to millions but perhaps I'm out of date) and yes I do believe details are logged (and that millions of pounds are wasted on data collection and statistical analysis)
...oh, and yes I do have a little more than one brain cell (not a lot perhaps but enough to keep me on my feet!)
I personally don't give a monkey's @!$e who knows my political preferences but I do care when correct procedures aren't followed.
Anyway, whatever your view it's very good to see them aired on here - that post has given me a much needed good laugh this morning so thank you (PS...do you have a handbag?)
(PPS Tesco's can know as much as they like about me - I still won't shop there!)
Data Collector and Statistical Analyst
Mr Reynolds and Mr Melbanks tiff - 4/5/07
Can I be helpful and suggest handbags at dawn.
Devils Advocate
- just trying to be helpful as always.
In reply to define "decent". With respect,obviously you can read and write, so you do not need me to tell you to look in the dictionary.
In reply to Mr Reynolds. You do not help yourself as a business man with your vindictive comments, as they may turn out to be counter productive.
The point blank shot must have been in the foot.
Kind regards
Tom Melbank
Can this be serious??
Does someone out there really think there are people who painstakingly go through the detritus of every town and district council's local election?
Engage your brain cell, whoever you are, and try to imagine this vastly expensive process of tipping out several million voting slips, going through them, matching them up with names and addresses, and.....what? pass them on to the 'relevant' political parties? (pur-lease!)enter them on a big brother computer system?
Who would carry out this undertaking? What for, exactly?
Tesco's probably know more about you than any government 'big brother'
Get real. You're just not that important.
name supplied
Mr Melbank.
With the very greatest respect, and without the sniff of cordite from a long range sniper, please define "decent".
Name supplied
...and after 6 months what happens?
My guess is that those envelopes are opened, the results analysed, details taken and passed to the relevant political parties!
Name supplied
Tom, not sure to whom you are referring about the personal attacks on Cllr.Hickmore, however my earlier comments relate to his ability to do the job properly.
However if you want a comment on personality I find Cllr Hickmore's approach to members of the public (ie the people who he supposedly represents) to be both arrogant and rude...I personally have experienced this on more than one occasion!
That's not a long range snipe, that's a point blank shot!
David Reynolds
Hallo, Just to say that details of community and charity events which are happening downtown Faringdon are welcome (if you wish them to be so advertised) at our website address www.oxfordmail.net/whatson,
click on 'events' in the left hand menu then select 'submit your event'.
This feeds a central database that serves both the website events listings and consideration for free publication in our papers including the Oxford Mail, Times, Gazette and Herald areas.
All the best for Faringdon events,
Lorna Stevenson
Hi Everyone!
I'm new in town (yes that Aussie girl) and im wondering if anybody is working anywhere near the Oxford Science Park and is able to share the ride during the week.
I am more than willing to chip in for petrol and my hours can move around to suit but full time, 5 days a week if possible.
Cheers!!!
Mel Payne
Have just been to vote and asked the question about logging counterfoil numbers and personal registration numbers.
It seems these records are kept in a sealed envelope for 6 months. If a fraud is suspected, they can be looked at - but only with permission via a Court Order
Gene Webb
I have over the last few weeks read the comments with regards to Councillor Hickmore.
I must say that I find it rather distasteful that a decent man can be attacked in this way.
All positions on the council are freely advertised for election.
If you are not happy with the present arrangements feel free to apply. Please stop these personal attacks, and stop being long range snipers.
Regards Tom Melbank
Sorry Scott - I cant sing and I dont fit the age band but I have got a six pack and blue eyes - maybe I could hum in the background
Pimpernel
Woe are we on polling day, because we cant go and have our say, of all the women and all the men, we will get the same again
Pimpernel
Youv'e heard of G4, Il Divo and the Fab 4
I'm looking for three Other like minded chaps aged between 25 and 40 to start a group called the faringdon 4 to cover songs from the Shows TV and the charts both Past and present.
Come on chaps let's show these reality shows you don't have to be blond haired, blue eyed with a six pack to be talented
Interested? e mail me scott.gildert@telindus.co.uk
All the criteria you have to meet is you can sing be between 25 and 40 and live in Faringdon.
Scott Gildert